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== Agenda  ==
== Agenda  ==


*Who's taking minutes? --&gt; '''dmose'''  
*Who's taking minutes? --&gt; '''Usul'''  
*[http://ascher.ca/thunderbird/minutes_schedule.html Minute taking Schedule]. Talk to davida or dmose for schedule changes/additions.
*[http://ascher.ca/thunderbird/minutes_schedule.html Minute taking Schedule]. Talk to davida or dmose for schedule changes/additions.
* Note: this meeting is for interactive discussion. Feel free to ask questions!
* Note: this meeting is for interactive discussion. Feel free to ask questions!
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=== Conversion Funnel (Priority 0 side project) ===
=== Conversion Funnel (Priority 0 side project) ===
* Funnel cake 4 launched last Thursday.  ADUs about 100 more users than Funnel cake 3.  Getting logs for this week and crunching the numbers.


=== Thunderbird Development ===
=== Thunderbird Development ===
For more details, see also the [[Thunderbird/Driver_Meetings/2011-01-04|driver meeting notes]].
For more details, see also the [[Thunderbird/Driver_Meetings/2011-01-11|driver meeting notes]].


==== [[Thunderbird:Feature Work|Feature Work]] ====
==== [[Thunderbird:Feature Work|Feature Work]] ====


[[Thunderbird/Experiments#Account_Provisioner|Account Provisioner]]:
[[Thunderbird/Experiments#Account_Provisioner|Account Provisioner]]:
* Beta 1 has been released!
* Contracts continue to be worked on.
* Mostly on pause waiting for contract negotiations.
* We're also working on making a version that's bundled with TB for wider testing.


Pluggable Mail Stores ({{bug|402392}}): berkeley and maildir stores pass all mailnews xpcshell tests. Fixed mozmill and mail xpcshell tests as well.
Pluggable Mail Stores ({{bug|402392}}):
* berkeley and maildir stores pass all mailnews xpcshell tests.
* Fixed mozmill and mail xpcshell tests as well.


==== [[Thunderbird/Experiments|Experiments]] ====
==== [[Thunderbird/Experiments|Experiments]] ====


===== Thunderbird Conversations =====
===== Thunderbird Conversations =====
 
*Released 2.0alpha2, mostly bug fixes, but it takes time to get things right.
*Should be approved soon on AMO.
*Blog post will follow with quick summary and changelog, check out [http://jonathan.xulforum.org/files/gcv-nightlies/Changelog_master the changelog here] in the meanwhile.
*Feature work going on right now with clarkbw and andychung, hoping to push more features in the upcoming weeks, and cut alpha3 sometime later (no ETA yet).
*Backend work going on in thunderbird-stdlib, will blog about my simpleStorage wrapper around mozStorage soon.
*People checking out my github repo, please do:<br>
<pre>git submodule init
git submode update
</pre>
This is not vital right now, I will blog and tweet about it as soon as I really depend on it, but if you pull and .gitmodules is modified, it's time to submodule init+update.<br>
 
Thunderbird Sync , but no ETA yet!


==== Trunk (Miramar) Development ====
==== Trunk (Miramar) Development ====
* [http://bit.ly/gVAbMD Omnijar landed]
 
* [[Thunderbird/Active_Branches|Active branches]].
* [[Thunderbird/Active_Branches|Active branches]].
* Next Alpha: Early January, about:support and a few other updates.
* Next Alpha:
** Code freeze and cut this week (Thus. or Frid.)
** Ships next week if plan is ok.
** see [http://groups.google.com/group/tb-planning/browse_frm/thread/65212d67284680f2 tb-planning post]
** Aim to pick up about:support, Add-on Manager notification fixes (will tell you when add-on can't be installed)
* Help on fixing blockers would be very useful and appreciated, see [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20blocking-thunderbird3.3:needed%20-status-thunderbird3.3:fixed%20-whiteboard:non-code&order=map_assigned_to.login_name,bugs.bug_id this list of higher priority bugs].
* Help on fixing blockers would be very useful and appreciated, see [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20blocking-thunderbird3.3:needed%20-status-thunderbird3.3:fixed%20-whiteboard:non-code&order=map_assigned_to.login_name,bugs.bug_id this list of higher priority bugs].
* blocking criteria :
* blocking criteria :
** Alpha 1 -> Serious usability issues.
** Alpha n -> Serious usability issues.
** After -> not real criteria, regression/usability issues as usual.
** After -> no real criteria, regression/usability issues as usual.
 
==== 3.2 ====
 
* Decision on if/when we'll do 3.2 on hold until we progress account provisioning further.


==== Thunderbird Stability & Security Releases ====
==== Thunderbird Stability & Security Releases ====


* [http://bit.ly/fLXVcq 3.0.x nightly builds are now stopped].
* 3.1.8 code freeze next Tuesday
* 3.1.8 planned for beginning of Feb.
* Bug Lists: [http://hg.mozilla.org/users/bugzilla_standard8.plus.com/drivertools/raw-file/default/bugtracking/index.html?branch=3.1 3.1]
* Bug Lists: [http://hg.mozilla.org/users/bugzilla_standard8.plus.com/drivertools/raw-file/default/bugtracking/index.html?branch=3.1 3.1]
* Crash fixes for the most of it


===== Major updates to 3.1 =====
===== Major updates to 3.1 =====
* We now have over 80% of our ADUs on Thunderbird 3.1. (90% of these are on the latest version 3.1.7)
** still getting people across with Major Updates.


=== [[Thunderbird:Testing|QA]] Updates ===
=== [[Thunderbird:Testing|QA]] Updates ===


* Welcome to 2011 everyone. Thank you for your great participation in 2010.
* Have a look at [[Thunderbird:Testing]] if you want to help.
* Have a look at [[Thunderbird:Testing]] if you want to help.
* We'll have testing events for 3.3a2 - I'll announce them on [http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird/ mdat] and [https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/thunderbird-testers tb-testers]


=== Marketing Updates ===
=== Marketing Updates ===
* PR update: updated the PR contact list, attending to a couple of reporter Tbird issues, current news centered around tips and tricks [http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2375426,00.asp PCmag article], [http://www.ghacks.net/2011/01/08/how-to-restore-a-thunderbird-profile-on-a-new-computer-after-crash/ Restore a Thunderbird profile], [http://www.ghacks.net/2011/01/07/google-webmail-filer-for-thunderbird/ Gmail filters for Thunderbird]
* Web site redesign work.


=== Infrastructure Update  ===
=== Infrastructure Update  ===
* 13 new linux build machines
** 4 Linux 32
** 1 Linux 64
** 4 Fedora 32 Unittest
** 4 Fedora 64 Unittest
* Now running xpcshell/mozmill tests on Fedora
* Need a 1h downtime windows for build infrastructure for storage work


=== Build / Release Update ===
=== Build / Release Update ===
* fixed ccache on one of our Mac builders - apparent issue with MacPorts binary.  Need to investigate and fix other builders.
* linux64 l10n nightly builds built on trunk
* packaged unit tests moved to Fedora Linux
* No switch to the gold linker on linux yet.
** Gold linker, new version of [http://www.gnu.org/software/binutils/ gnu ld] that's faster.
** we are likely to take that once FF does.


=== Web Update ===
=== Web Update ===
* Working on bringing up staging for sumomo port to kitsune


=== Documentation ===
=== Documentation ===
New articles:
* [https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/Message+List+Columns Manipulating and propagating message list columns]
* [https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/Add+Security+Exception Security certificate warnings / adding exceptions]


=== [[Thunderbird/Support|Support]] ===
=== [[Thunderbird/Support|Support]] ===
(If you support Thunderbird or write documentation to help support Thunderbird, please [https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-support-crew subscribe to the tb-support-crew mailing list] and briefly introduce yourself to the list)
(If you support Thunderbird or write documentation to help support Thunderbird, please [https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-support-crew subscribe to the tb-support-crew mailing list] and briefly introduce yourself to the list)
# Happy New Year and thanks to all who supported Thunderbird or wrote or localized Thunderbird documentation in 2010!
# 474 new support topics
# [[Thunderbird/Thunderbird3.1SupportIssues|3.1 Support Issues]]
# [[Thunderbird/Support/Goals/2011|Draft 2011 Thunderbird Support Goals]]
# See [[Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2010-01-11/SupportAppendix|this week's Support Appendix]] for full Get Satisfaction metrics and other support details


=== Lightning Updates ===
=== Lightning Updates ===
* End of the tunnel for lightning on trunk


=== Status Updates ===
=== Status Updates ===
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=== Roundtable Highlights ===
=== Roundtable Highlights ===
* Reviews
** See the [http://bit.ly/eEQhAM blog post] for detailed information
** Backlog of reviews in Thunderbird product now down to approx 1 month.
** Looking to do the same in Mailnews Core for early this year.
*** plan is to make it happen in the first part
*** At least a couple of months
** This is aimed to help management of reviews and as a result improve review times overall.
* Personnas compatible with 3.1 again.


=== Attendees  ===
=== Attendees  ===
Rebron, Standard8, Bwinton, Usul, gozer, Jhopkins, Jenzed, Roland, Bienvenu, Clarkbw, Sancus
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Latest revision as of 17:47, 11 January 2011

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Current Release Schedules
Thunderbird 3.3 Alpha 2 Thunderbird 3.1.8
  • Code Freeze and build start: 14th Jan (tentative)
  • Release: 20th Jan (tentative)
  • Code freeze: 18 Jan 23:59
  • L10n freeze: 18 Jan 23:59
  • Builds start: 19/20 Jan
  • QA with builds start: 21 Jan
  • Beta period starts: Week of 24 Jan
  • Build 2 starts: 7th Feb
  • Build 2 Beta period starts: 8th/9th Feb
  • Final release: 1st March


Thunderbird Meeting Details :

Remember to press *1 to unmute yourself before talking!

Feel free to ask questions in the meeting either by speaking up or by asking them in #maildev on IRC.

Agenda

  • Who's taking minutes? --> Usul
  • Minute taking Schedule. Talk to davida or dmose for schedule changes/additions.
  • Note: this meeting is for interactive discussion. Feel free to ask questions!

Action Items

Friends of the Tree

Thanks to our Friends of the Tree When adding someone to this section, please get their T-Shirt size and send it to rebron@mozillamessaging.com so that he can send them a shirt!

Conversion Funnel (Priority 0 side project)

  • Funnel cake 4 launched last Thursday. ADUs about 100 more users than Funnel cake 3. Getting logs for this week and crunching the numbers.

Thunderbird Development

For more details, see also the driver meeting notes.

Feature Work

Account Provisioner:

  • Contracts continue to be worked on.
  • We're also working on making a version that's bundled with TB for wider testing.

Pluggable Mail Stores (bug 402392):

  • berkeley and maildir stores pass all mailnews xpcshell tests.
  • Fixed mozmill and mail xpcshell tests as well.

Experiments

Thunderbird Conversations
  • Released 2.0alpha2, mostly bug fixes, but it takes time to get things right.
  • Should be approved soon on AMO.
  • Blog post will follow with quick summary and changelog, check out the changelog here in the meanwhile.
  • Feature work going on right now with clarkbw and andychung, hoping to push more features in the upcoming weeks, and cut alpha3 sometime later (no ETA yet).
  • Backend work going on in thunderbird-stdlib, will blog about my simpleStorage wrapper around mozStorage soon.
  • People checking out my github repo, please do:
git submodule init
git submode update

This is not vital right now, I will blog and tweet about it as soon as I really depend on it, but if you pull and .gitmodules is modified, it's time to submodule init+update.

Thunderbird Sync , but no ETA yet!

Trunk (Miramar) Development

  • Active branches.
  • Next Alpha:
    • Code freeze and cut this week (Thus. or Frid.)
    • Ships next week if plan is ok.
    • see tb-planning post
    • Aim to pick up about:support, Add-on Manager notification fixes (will tell you when add-on can't be installed)
  • Help on fixing blockers would be very useful and appreciated, see this list of higher priority bugs.
  • blocking criteria :
    • Alpha n -> Serious usability issues.
    • After -> no real criteria, regression/usability issues as usual.

Thunderbird Stability & Security Releases

  • 3.1.8 code freeze next Tuesday
  • Bug Lists: 3.1
  • Crash fixes for the most of it
Major updates to 3.1
  • We now have over 80% of our ADUs on Thunderbird 3.1. (90% of these are on the latest version 3.1.7)
    • still getting people across with Major Updates.

QA Updates

Marketing Updates

Infrastructure Update

  • 13 new linux build machines
    • 4 Linux 32
    • 1 Linux 64
    • 4 Fedora 32 Unittest
    • 4 Fedora 64 Unittest
  • Now running xpcshell/mozmill tests on Fedora
  • Need a 1h downtime windows for build infrastructure for storage work

Build / Release Update

  • fixed ccache on one of our Mac builders - apparent issue with MacPorts binary. Need to investigate and fix other builders.
  • linux64 l10n nightly builds built on trunk
  • packaged unit tests moved to Fedora Linux
  • No switch to the gold linker on linux yet.
    • Gold linker, new version of gnu ld that's faster.
    • we are likely to take that once FF does.

Web Update

  • Working on bringing up staging for sumomo port to kitsune

Documentation

New articles:

Support

(If you support Thunderbird or write documentation to help support Thunderbird, please subscribe to the tb-support-crew mailing list and briefly introduce yourself to the list)

  1. Happy New Year and thanks to all who supported Thunderbird or wrote or localized Thunderbird documentation in 2010!
  2. 474 new support topics
  3. 3.1 Support Issues
  4. Draft 2011 Thunderbird Support Goals
  5. See this week's Support Appendix for full Get Satisfaction metrics and other support details

Lightning Updates

  • End of the tunnel for lightning on trunk

Status Updates

See the Mozilla Status Board for status updates specific to developers.

Roundtable Highlights

  • Reviews
    • See the blog post for detailed information
    • Backlog of reviews in Thunderbird product now down to approx 1 month.
    • Looking to do the same in Mailnews Core for early this year.
      • plan is to make it happen in the first part
      • At least a couple of months
    • This is aimed to help management of reviews and as a result improve review times overall.


  • Personnas compatible with 3.1 again.

Attendees

Rebron, Standard8, Bwinton, Usul, gozer, Jhopkins, Jenzed, Roland, Bienvenu, Clarkbw, Sancus


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